Richard married Countess of Angus Maud before 21 Dec 1247 in Dover, Kent, England. Maud (daughter of Earl of Angus Malcolm and Mary De Berkeley) was born about 1215 in District Angus, Scotland; died about 1261 in Barony, Prudhoe, Northumberland, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Birth:
Now Forfar, Scotland

Notes:

[royalfam.ged]

King John's bastard son, Richard Fitz Roy, was known under several designations as follows:.

Cal. of Liberate Rolls 2 (1930): 136 (Richard de Chilham styled
"king';s brother"). Curia Regis Rolls 16 (1979): 115,145,169,178
(instances of being styled "Ricardus de Chilham"), 175 (styled
"Ricardus Fiz le Roy"), 232 (styled "Ricardus de Warenn' filius regis
Johannis"), 450 (styled "Ricardus de Warein'"); 17 (1991): 26 (styled
"Ricardus filius Regis de Chileham").

One of Richard's seals which has survived calls him Richard de
Warenne. Due to his various forms, I have elected to call him Richard
Fitz Roy (otherwise de Warenne, also de Chilham) in the forthcoming
book, Plantagenet Ancestry.

Interestingly, Richard's son, Richard the younger, was known as both
"de Dover" and "de Chilham" as appears below:

Cal. of Liberate Rolls 2 (1930): 122 (Richard son of Richard de
Chilham styled "king's nephew"), 249 (Richard de Dovor styled "king's
kinsman").

As for Philip Fitz Roy, if you know of a original contemporary record
which specifically refers to Philip as "Philip de Cognac," please let
me know. Kindly provide your source.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Richard married Rohsia Dover about 1207 in Chilham, Kent, England. Rohsia (daughter of Robert De Dover and Isabel De Briwere) was born about 1188 in Chilham, Kent, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Malcolm + Mary De Berkeley. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

[royalfam.ged]

Please find below a revised listing of the bastard children of King John. The list has been augmented by many new references, corrections, and additions since my last posting of this listing. The new listing includes Philip "Fiz Le Rey" [i.e., Philip the king's son]) found in a 1263 Sussex fine as a possible bastard child of King John.

Also, it appears there may be a link between Isabel, wife of Richard Fitz Ives, and another royal bastard, Eudes Fitz Roy. I've learned that in 1245, Isabel's son and heir, William Fitz Ives, sued Giles de
Chanceaux regarding property in Cornwall. This is surely the same man who was granted Eudes Fitz Roy's properties in Essex on his death without issue in 1242. The Fitz Ives and Chanceaux link deserves further study.

Comments are invited.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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REVISED LISTING OF BASTARD CHILDREN OF KING JOHN OF ENGLAND:

Legitimated child of John of England, by a mistress, Clemence _____:

i. JOAN OF ENGLAND, married LLYWELYN AP IORWERTH, Prince of North Wales [see WAKE 4].

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, _____ de Warenne, daughter of Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey, by Isabel, daughter and heiress of William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey [see WARENNE 2]:

i. RICHARD FITZ ROY (or DE WARENNE), Knt., Baron of Chilham, Kent, married ROSE DE DOVER [see ATHOLL 4].

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, Hawise _____:

i. OLIVER FITZ ROY. He defended Wolvesey Castle for Peter des Roches, Bishop of Winchester, in 1216. In 1217 he was granted the lands formerly held by Peter Fitz Herbert to sustain him in the king's service. In 1218 he arrived with other English knights at Damietta in the company of Papal legate, Pelayo. He did not return. H.R. Luard, Chronica Majora 3 (1876): 40-41. C.P.R., 1216-1225 (1901), pp. 42-43,92. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. J.M. Powell, Anatomy of a Crusade (1986), pg. 235. N. Vincent, Peter des Roches (1996), pp. 71,175.

Illegitimate children of John of England, by an unknown mistress (or mistresses):

i. JOHN FITZ ROY, evidently a clerk, supported by the custodians of the see of Lincoln in 1201. D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe Michaelmas 1201 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 14) (1936), pp.
xix,192-193. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102.

ii. GEOFFREY FITZ ROY. In 1204 he received a loan by the pledge of William Longesp©be, Earl of Salisbury, and Peter de Stokes. In 1205 he led an expedition into Poitou and died the same year. Curia Regis Rolls 3 (1926): 321 (suit dated 1205: " ... quam diu predictus Radulfus [de Trublevill] fuerit in servicio nostro in Pictavia cum Gaufrido filio nostro"). D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe
Michaelmas 1204 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 18) (1940), pp. xxxv-xxxvj,xlj,33,60,87,131. D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe Michaelmas 1205 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 19) (1941), pp. xviij-xix,19,79-80. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102.

iii. HENRY FITZ ROY, Knt., of Waltham, Ashby, Brigsley, Gonerby (in Hatcliffe), Hawerby, and North Coates, co. Lincoln, and Chilham, Kent. He was sent as a student to the Prior of Kenilworth in 1207. In 1215 he was granted the lands of Robert Fitz Walter in Cornwall. In 1217 he and Ralph de Raleigh were granted the manor of Waltham, co. Lincoln formerly held by Alan Fitz Count to sustain them in royal service. In 1231 he was granted all of the land of Henry de Avaugor, a Norman, in Waltham, co. Lincoln. He married before 1236 EVE DE BLANCHMINSTER (or WHITCHURCH), widow of William de Champernoun (living 1230), of Umberleigh (in Atherington) and High Bickington, Devon, and daughter and heiress of Reynold de Blanchminster (or Whitchurch) (living 1248), of Shrivenham and Winterbourne (in Chieveley), co. Berks, and Bolney, co. Oxford, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter and co-heiress of Nicholas de Bolney. They had no issue. SIR HENRY FITZ ROY died shortly before 8 Apr. 1245. His widow, Eve, married (3rd) before 30 June 1252 Giles de Clifford (living 1276). C.Ch.R. 1 (1895): 137 (styled "Henry the king's brother"). J.L. Vivian, Visitations of the County of Devon (1895), pp. 160. C.P.R., 1216-1225 (1901), pp. 128, 574 ("Henricus filius regis"). C.C.R., 1227-1231 (1902), pg. 51. C.P.R., 1225-1232 (1903), pp. 311 ("Henricus frater regis"), 357,441. C.C.R., 1234-1237 (1908), pg. 219 ("Henrico fratri regis"). Book of Fees 1 (1920): 362 ("Henricus frater regis"), 617 ("Henricus filius regis"); 2 (1923): 660,675,1021 (instances of "Henricus filius Regis"). C.P.R., 1232-1247 (1906), pp. 20,296,450. C.C.R., 1237-1242 (1911), pg. 511 ("Henricum filium regis"). VCH Berkshire 3 (19??): 424; 4 (1924): 63,513,533. C.C.R., 1251-1253 (1927), pg. 116. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. C.P. 12 Pt. 2 (1959): 645 (sub Wilington). Curia Regis Rolls 13 (1959): 138,215,283 ("Henricus filius regis John"), 290,364-365,371,514,542; 15 (1972): 83,449 (styled "Henricum filium le Rey"). R.A. Brown, Memoranda Roll for the Tenth Year of the Reign of King John (1207-8) (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 31) (1957), pg. 137 (Henry called "our son" [filio nostro] by King John). NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. B.R. Kemp, Reading Abbey Cartularies 1 (Camden, 4th ser., vol. 31) (1986): 375. S.D. Church, Household Knights of King John (1999), pg. 127.

iv. OSBERT GIFFORD, Knt. In 1215 he received the lands of Thomas de Ardern in Oxfordshire. In 1216 he likewise received Ardern's lands in Bundes, Norfolk, and elsewhere in Suffolk, Essex, and Sussex, and the lands of Aumary Despenser, Roger Fitz Nicholas, and Ralph Bluet in Oxfordshire. SIR OSBERT GIFFORD died in 1248. Ancestor 3 (1902): 227 (his arms: Ermine two bars gules, on a chief gules a leopard or). Genealogist n.s. 28 (1922): 128-129. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. T.D. Tremlett, Rolls of Arms Henry III (Harleian Soc. Pub., vols. 113-114) (1967), pg. 47.

v. EUDES (or IVES) FITZ ROY, of Canewdon, Essex. In 1233 he was granted lands in Aldbury, co. Hertford. He had an exchequer fee of Ð20 granted to him in 1237. In the period, c. 1227/41, he witnessed a charter for his brother, Richard, Earl of Cornwall, to Launceston Priory in Cornwall. In 1240 he joined Earl Richard on a crusade to the Holy Land. EUDES FITZ ROY died there testate shortly before 21 Jan. 1241/2. His lands in Essex were granted to Giles de Chanceaux in 1242. No known descendants. G. Oliver, Monasticon Diocesis Exonienses (1846), pg. 23. C.C.R., 1231-1234 (1905), pg. 210 ("Eudoni filio regis"). C.P.R., 1232-1247 (1906), pp. 179 ("Eudo the king's brother"), 270 ("Eudo son of R. the king's brother"), 314 ("Eudo the king's brother"). C.C.R., 1237-1242 (1911), pp. 73 ("Eudoni fratri regis"), 386-387 ("Eudonis fratris regis"), 387 ("Ivonis fratris domini regis"), 532 ("Eudonis fratris nostri"). Cal. Liberate Rolls 1 (1916), pg. 263. N. Denholm-Young, Richard of Cornwall (1947), pp. 41,112. P.L. Hull, Cartulary of Launceston Priory (Devon & Cornwall Rec. Soc., n.s., vol. 30) (1987) 12 ("Yvo brother of the earl" [Richard, Earl of Cornwall]).

vi. BARTHOLOMEW FITZ ROY, clerk, papal chaplain, member of the order of Friars Preachers, living Aug. 1254. Papal Registers: Letters 1 (1893): 281,286,305.

vii. MAUD FITZ ROY, nun, elected Abbess of Barking 5 Aug. 1247; died shortly before 6 Feb. 1252. Sir William Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum 1 (1817): 437,441 ("Dame Maud la file le Roy John"). VCH Essex 2 (1907): 120.

Alleged illegitimate child of John of England, by an unknown mistress,
_____:

i. ISABEL FITZ ROY, married RICHARD FITZ IVES, Knt., lord of Degembris (in Newlyn East), Cornwall. They had two sons, William Fitz Richard, Knt. (of Degembris and Penhallow [both in Newlyn East], Lanisley (in Gulival), and Rosneython and Trenoweth-Chammon [both in St. Keverne]) and Richard Fitz Richard (clerk), and one daughter, Isabel (wife of Belyn Hellegan, Knt.). He gave tithes in Gruguth (in St. Keverne), Cornwall. SIR RICHARD FITZ IVES allegedly died in 1207. Modern descendants (not traced). Herald and Genealogist 7 (1873): 229-231 (Isabel styled "filie Regis Joh'is"). Sir John Maclean, Parochial and Family Hist. of the Deanery of Trigg Minor 1 (1876): 317. J.L. Vivian, Visitations of Cornwall (1887), pg. 30. G.D. Stawell, A Quantock Family: The Stawells of Cothelstone and their Descendants (1910), pp. 44-45. J.H. Rowe, Cornwall Feet of Fines 1 (1914): 17,49,54-55,58-59,91-92,171,438-440. C.R.R. 11 (1955), pg. 473; 12 (1957): 189. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. C.R.R. 18 (1999): 362-363. Harleian MS. 4031, ff. 76b,81.

Possible illegitimate child of John of England, by an unknown mistress, _____:

i. PHILIP FITZ ROY (possible child). In 1263 he and his wife, Lavina, conveyed lands at Bignor, Pebmarsh, and Petworth, Surrey to Henry Fitz [le] Roy, perhaps their son. L.F. Salzman, Abstract of Feet of Fines Relating to the County of Sussex (Sussex Rec. Soc., vol. 7) (1908), pg. 45 ("Ph[illip]um Fiz Le Rey" [i.e., Philip the king's son]) (cf. W. Hudson, Three Earliest Subsidies for the County of Sussex in the Years 1296,1327,1332 (Sussex Rec. Soc., vol. 19) (1910), pp. 73,95 (references to "Henr[icus] fyz le Rey" on 1296 Sussex subsidy).

The following is a list of eleven bastard children of King John of England which I've assembled from a variety of sources. If anyone has any additions or corrections to this material, please let me know.
The first two children listed, Richard Fitz Roy (or de Warenne), Baron of Chilham, Kent, and Joan, wife of Llywelyn ap Iowerth, Prince of North Wales, have many modern descendants.

Although sometimes questioned, I accept Isabel, wife of Richard Fitz Ives, Knt., as a bastard daughter of King John. Isabel appears to have modern descendants. Besides Isabel, I've also included a new
bastard child for King John not commonly found on such lists, namely Maud Fitz Roy, Abbess of Barking, whose identity is proven by the sources cited below.

Sidney Painter, King John's historian, says of him: ".... cruel, lecherous, and deceitful." Surely the number of illegitimate children listed below for King John proves the lecherous part.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com

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BASTARD CHILDREN OF KING JOHN OF ENGLAND

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, _____ de Warenne:

i. RICHARD FITZ ROY (or DE WARENNE), Knt., Baron of Chilham, Kent, married ROSE DE DOVER [see ATHOLL 4].

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, Clemence _____:

i. JOAN OF ENGLAND, married LLYWELYN AP IORWERTH, Prince of North Wales [see WAKE 4].

Illegitimate child of John of England, by a mistress, Hawise _____:

i. OLIVER FITZ ROY. He defended Wolvesey Castle for Peter des Roches, Bishop of Winchester, in 1216. In 1217 he was granted the lands formerly held by Peter Fitz Herbert to sustain him in the king';s service. In 1218 he arrived with other English knights at Damietta in the company of Papal legate, Pelayo. He did not return. H.R. Luard, Chronica Majora 3 (1876): 40-41. C.P.R., 1216-1225 (1901), pp. 42-43,92. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. J.M. Powell, Anatomy of a Crusade (1986), pg. 235. N. Vincent, Peter des Roches (1996), pp. 71,175.

Illegitimate children of John of England, by an unknown mistress (or mistresses):

i. ISABEL FITZ ROY, married RICHARD FITZ IVES, Knt., lord of Degembris (in Newlyn East), Cornwall. They had two sons, William Fitz Richard, Knt. (of Degembris and Penhallow [both in Newlyn East], Lanisley, and Rosneython [in St. Keverne]) and Richard Fitz Richard (clerk), and one daughter, Isabel (wife of Belyn Hellegan, Knt.). He gave tithes in Gruguth (in St. Keverne), Cornwall. SIR RICHARD FITZ IVES died in 1207. Modern descendants (not traced in this book). Herald and Genealogist 7 (1873): 229-231. Sir John Maclean, Parochial and Family Hist. of the Deanery of Trigg Minor 1 (1876): 317. J.L. Vivian, Visitations of Cornwall (1887), pg. 30. J.H. Rowe, Cornwall Feet of Fines 1 (1914): 17,49,54-55,58-59,91-92,171,438-440. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. Harleian MS. 4031, ff. 76b,81 (not seen).

ii. JOHN FITZ ROY, evidently a clerk, supported by the custodians of the see of Lincoln in 1201. D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe Michaelmas 1201 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 14) (1936), pp. xix,192-193. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102.

iii. GEOFFREY FITZ ROY. In 1204 he received a loan by the pledge of William Longesp©be, Earl of Salisbury, and Peter de Stokes. In 1205 he led an expedition into Poitou and died the same year. Curia Regis Rolls 3 (1926): 321 (suit dated 1205: "... quam diu predictus Radulfus [de Trublevill] fuerit in servicio nostro in Pictavia cum Gaufrido filio nostro"). D.M. Stenton, Great Roll of the Pipe Michaelmas 1204 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 18) (1940), pp. xxxv-xxxvj,xlj,33,60,87,131. D.M. Stenton Great Roll of the Pipe Michaelmas 1205 (Pipe Roll Soc., n.s., vol. 19) (1941), pp. xviij-xix,19,79-80. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102.

iv. HENRY FITZ ROY, Knt., of Waltham, Ashby, Brigsley, Gonerby (in Hatcliffe), Hawerby, and North Coates, co. Lincoln, and Chilham, Kent. He was sent as a student to the Prior of Kenilworth in 1207. In 1215 he was granted the lands of Robert Fitz Walter in Cornwall. In 1217 he and Ralph de Raleigh were granted the manor of Waltham, co. Lincoln to sustain them in royal service. In 1231 he was granted all of the land of Henry de la Vaugoz, a Norman, in the soke of Waltham, co. Lincoln. He married before 1236 EVE DE WHITCHURCH, widow of William de Champernoun (living 1230), of Umberleigh (in Atherington) and High Bickington, Devon, and daughter and heiress of Reynold de Whitchurch, of Shrivenham and Winterbourne (in Chieveley), co. Berks, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter and co-heiress of Nicholas de Bolney. They had no issue. SIR HENRY FITZ ROY died shortly before 8 Apr. 1245. His widow, Eve, married (3rd) before 30 June 1252 Giles de Clifford (living 1276). C.Ch.R. 1 (1895): 137. J.L. Vivian, Visitations of the County of Devon (1895), pp. 160. Book of Fees 1: 362,617; 2 (1923): 660,675,1021. C.P.R., 1232-1247 (1906), pp. 20,296,450. C.C.R., 1237-1242 (1911), pg. 511. VCH Berkshire 4 (1924): 63,533. C.C.R., 1251-1253 (1927), pg. 116. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. C.P. 12 Pt. 2 (1959): 645 (sub Wilington). Curia Regis Rolls 13 (1959): 514; 15 (1972): 83,449. S.D. Church, Household Knights of King John (1999), pg. 127.

v. OSBERT GIFFORD. In 1215 he received the lands of Thomas de Ardern in Oxfordshire. In 1216 he likewise received Ardern's lands in Norfolk, Suffolk, and Sussex. In 1216 he and his wife received safe conduct to confer with King John. His subsequent history is unknown. Ancestor 3 (1902): 227 (his arms: Ermine, 2 bars gules, a chief gules with a leopard or in chief). Genealogist n.s. 28 (1922): 128-129. S. Painter, Reign of King John (1949), pp. 232-233. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102.

vi. EUDES FITZ ROY, of Canewdon, Essex. In 1233 he was granted lands in Aldbury, co. Hertford. He had an exchequer fee iof Ð20 granted to him in 1237. In 1240 he joined his half-brother, Richard, Earl of Cornwall on a crusade to the Holy Land. EUDES FITZ ROY died there testate shortly before 21 Jan. 1241/2. His lands in Essex were granted to Giles de Chanceaus in 1242. No known descendants. G. Oliver, Monasticon Diocesis Exonienses (1846), pg. 23. C.C.R., 1231-1234 (1905), pg. 210. C.P.R., 1232-1247 (1906), pp. 179,270,314. C.C.R., 1237-1242 (1911), pp. 387,532. Cal. Liberate Rolls 1 (1916), pg. 263. N. Denholm-Young, Richard of Cornwall (1947), pp. 41,112.

vii. BARTHOLOMEW FITZ ROY, clerk, papal chaplain, member of the order of Friars Preachers, living Aug. 1254. Papal Registers: Letters 1 (1893): 281,286,305.

viii. MAUD FITZ ROY, nun, elected Abbess of Barking 5 Aug. 1247; died shortly before 6 Feb. 1252. Sir William Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum 1 (1817): 437,441. VCH Essex 2 (1907): 120.

Signed Magna Carta in 1215

The statement in the legitimization of Joan, daughter of king John and wife of prince Llywelyn, that each of her parents were unmarried at the time of her birth, does not imply she was born prior to John's first marriage, to Isabelle de Clare in 1189. This marriage had been annulled by the time of Joan's legitimization, and would have been considered by the clerics not to have occurred.

It might be that the legitimization does imply that, by the time of John's second marriage, to Isabelle of Angouleme, that Joan's mother was either dead or had become a nun, otherwise the legitimacy of king Henry III might have been called into question.

It might also be that the reference in Joan's obituary to her mother as "queen Clementia" implies that Clemence, mother of Joan, did not die or become a nun until after John's accession.

I suspect that in the minds of the monks and clerics who recorded things, these annulments and legitimizations created a virtual world in which annulled real world marriages did not exist, and appropriate legitimizing marriages did exist, with all appropriate side effect implications, including Clemence having been queen..

- Paul K. Davis - paulkdavis@earthlink.net

King John had illegitimate children over the entire course of his adult life. He was a very busy man in the bedroom. One of his older bastard sons, Geoffrey, received a loan by the pledge of William
Longesp©be, Earl of Salisbury, and Peter de Stokes in 1204. In 1205 he led an expedition into Poitou and died the same year. King John likewise had another illegitimate daughter, Joan, who married before 23 Mar. 1204/5 Llywelyn ap Iowerth, Prince of North Wales. Consequently, it is possible that King John was the father of Isabel, wife of Richard Fitz Ives, who allegedly died in 1207. By the way, I
have reason to suppose that Isabel survived Richard Fitz Ives for many years and remarried.

Second, Isabel de Beaupre is not the same person as King John's bastard daughter, Isabel, wife of Richard Fitz Ives. As best I can tell, Isabel de Beaupre is a later day descendant and the senior
heiress of the Fitz Ives family. I didn't mean to imply that the two Isabel's were the same person.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

JOHN + De Warrene. was born about 1168 in Essex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Married:
Not Married

Robert married Isabel De Briwere about 1187 in Chilham, Kent, England. Isabel (daughter of William De Briwere and Beatrice De Vaux) was born about 1184 in Stoke, Devonshire, England; died in 1233. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]