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Do we have a date in 1203 as to when Joan was sent to England from Normandy? This would be interesting and possibly enlightening - John himself was in Normandy during most of that year, in Le Mans in January but then
moving into Normandy near Argentan and not leaving Normandy (although this time, for good) on 5 December. As recorded by Giraldus Cambrensis and the author of the Histoire de Guillaume le Marechal, John was clearly in the process of losing hold of Normandy during that year, so it would seem Joan's relocation to England was part of the overall process of collapse.

As to the issue of Henry I's issue, it may be that he thought the alliances of his illegitimate brood would not complicate the matter of succession - however, immediate prior history does not mesh well with this presumption. The 70-year period preceding Henry I's death involved several problematic dynastic problems:

A. The forceful taking of the English throne by a bastard (his own father);

B. The lengthy contest for the throne between two brothers (his own, being Robert 'Curthose ' and William 'Rufus')

C. His own acquisition of the English throne on the death of William 'Rufus', in place of his absent elder brother Robert, in 1100 [the resolution of their claims not being decided except on the field of battle in 1106, at Tinchebrai].

Henry I's evident desire was for the succession of his son (or at least one of his sons), and failing that, the succession of his daughter Matilda. He knew full well, little was guaranteed as to the English succession, else he would not have required baronial agreement to Matilda's succession before his death. Do we know, in the event of Matilda's death, that he would not prefer the accession of his son Robert (the bastard known
as Robert de Caen, the Earl of Gloucester) over any available nephew ?

Best regards,
John P. Ravilious
Therav3@aol.com

royal92.ged, Date of Import: Feb 10, 2006, lists May 18, 1152 Bordeaux, France as the marriage information for Elbeonore and Henry.

Family/Spouse: ROSAMOND De CLIFFORD. ROSAMOND (daughter of WALTER De CLIFFORD and MARGARET De TONI) was born in Abt. 1133 in Castle Clifford, Clifford, Herefordshire, England; died in Abt. 1176 in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England; was buried in Abt. 1176 in Godstow Nunnery, Wolvercote, Oxfordshire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Not Married

1. Prince of England WILLIAM LONGESPEE was born in Abt. 1173 in England; died on 7 Mar 1226 in Mansourah, Nile; was buried in Cathedral, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.

HENRY married Concubine of England Ykenai HikenaiNot Married. Ykenai was born about 1131 in Westminster, Middlesex, London, London, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Geoffrey Plantagenet was born in Westminster, Middlesex, London, London, England; died on 18 Dec 1212 in Notredameduparc, Seine-Maritime, France; was buried in Grosmont, Normandy, France.

HENRY married Unmd. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Arch-Deacon of Lincoln Peter was born about 1159 in England.
2. Provost of Beverly Morgan was born about 1168 in Wales; died about 1217 in Fountains Abbey, Ripon, Yorkshire, England.

HENRY married Queen of England, Princess of Aquitaine ELBEANOR ALIENOR on 11 May 1152 in Bordeaux, Gironde, Aquitaine, France. ELBEANOR (daughter of Duke WILLIAM GUILLAME, X and Duchess De Chatellerault ELBEANOR) was born in 1122 in Chcateau De Belin, Bordeaux, Aquitaine, France; died on 31 Mar 1204 in Castle Mirabell, Poitiers, Poitou, Aquitaine, France; was buried in Apr 1204 in Abbaye De Fontevrault, Fontevrault, Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Prince of England William Plantagenet was born on 17 Aug 1152 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Pays de la Loire, France; died in Apr 1156 in Castle Wallingford, Wallingford, Berkshire, England; was buried in 1156 in Reading, Berkshire, England.
2. King of England Henry Plantagenet was born on 28 Mar 1155 in Bermandsey, London, England; died on 11 Jun 1183 in Turenne, Aquitaine, France; was buried in Rouen, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France.
3. Princess of England Matilda Maud Plantagenet was born in 1156 in London, Middlesex, England; was christened in Aldgate, London, Middlesex, England; died on 28 Jun 1189 in Brunswick, Germany; was buried in Braunschweig, Braunschweig, Niedersachsen, Germany.
4. King of England Richard Plantagenet, I was born in 1157 in Beaumont Palace, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England; died on 6 Apr 1199 in Chalus, Limousin; was buried in Fontevraud Abbey.
5. Duke of Brittany, Prince of England Geoffrey Plantagenet was born on 23 Sep 1158 in England; died on 19 Aug 1186 in Paris, ÃŽle-de-France, France; was buried in Notre Dame De Paris, Paris, Seine, France.
6. Prince of England Philip Plantagenet was born about 1160 in England.
7. Princess of England Eleanor Plantagenet was born on 13 Oct 1162 in Domfront, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France; was christened in Oct 1162 in Domfront, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France; died on 25 Oct 1214 in Las Huelgas, Burgos, Spain; was buried in 1214 in Monasterio De Las Huelgas, Burgos, Spain.
8. Princess of England Johanna Plantagenet was born in Oct 1165 in Angers, Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France; died on 04 Sep 1199 in Rouen, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France; was buried in 1199 in Fontevrault L'ab, France.
9. King of England JOHN PLANTAGENET was born on 24 Dec 1167 in Beaumont Palace, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England; was christened on Yes, date unknown; died on 19 Oct 1216 in Castle Newark, Newark, Nottinghamshire, England; was buried in Oct 1916 in Worchester Cathedral, Worcester, Worcestershire, England.

HENRY married Annabel Balliol on 18 May 1153. Annabel (daughter of Barnard Balliol and Agnes Piquigny) was born about 1153 in England; died on 31 Mar 1204. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Not Married

GEOFFREY married Empress of Germany, Princess England MATILDA BEAUCLERC on 22 May 1127 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Pays-de-la-Loire, Anju, France. MATILDA (daughter of King of England HENRY BEAUCLERC FitzWILLIAM, I and Princess of Scotland MATILDA EDITH ATHLING) was born on 7 Feb 1102 in London, Middlesex, England; died on 10 Sep 1169 in Notre Dame, Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France; was buried in Bec Abbey, Le Bec-Hellouin, Eure, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Matilda, daughter of King Henry I of England, *was* her father's heiress.

Henry had 22-24 bastards and a legitimate son, William The Aetheling, who was
drowned in the Wreck of the White Ship on 25 November 1125 ---- ten years
before Henry's death.

So, Henry I had no surviving legitimate son to succeed to the throne.
Matilda, his legitimate daughter, had married Henry V, The Holy Roman Emperor
and was styled as The Empress Matilda in English, as she preferred. Her
husband, Henry V died in 1125 of cancer. The couple had no issue.

Matilda returned to England after the death of her husband and Henry I began
to groom her for succession to the throne. She was widowed and childless as
well as pretty well Germanised [read arrogant and pretentious, in English
eyes], having first gone to the Continent when she was eight years old and
having married Henry V when she was 11.

The British nobles and bishops did not particularly cotton to this
Jennie-foreigner as their future queen ---- but Henry I did his best to secure
their oaths of support that they would loyally defend her claims if she
outlived her father and he left no legitimate son.

Matilda married Geoffrey 'le Bel' comte d'Anjou, Touraine et Maine in 1127.

Now she was Brunhilde with a frog husband in the minds of many of the stalwart
British nobles and bishops.

Henry I died in 1135 without fathering a legitimate son. His death led to a
disputed succession just as had the deaths of the two previous Norman kings of
England, William I 'The Conqueror' and William II 'Rufus'.

When Henry I died on 1 Dec 1135, of a surfeit of lampreys as some say, Matilda
was out of pocket on the Continent.

Stephen, a grandson of William The Conqueror, quickly seized the initiative
and crossed to England to seize the crown where he was accepted as King by the
worthies of London, whose trading connections with Stephen's lands in Boulogne
helped to win them to his side.

Stephen pressed on to Winchester, where his brother, Bishop Henry of
Winchester, persuaded an initially reluctant Archbishop of Canterbury to crown
Stephen as King, the custodian of the treasure to hand over the keys, and the
magnates who were present to accept him as monarch.

Some of the nobles and clerics seem to have abandoned Matilda because they
construed their oath to Henry I to have held only if Henry did not give his
daughter Matilda in marriage to anyone outside the Kingdom without consulting
them.

A Great Civil War ensued when Matilda tried to fight back and reclaim the
throne in 1139. This Civil War lasted until 1153 when Stephen finally agreed
to allow Matilda's son Henry to succeed him on the throne as Henry II
'Curtmantle'. Yes, the one who was married to Eleanor of Aquitaine,
Richardson. Henry II also inherited his father Geoffrey's lands and titles.
Geoffrey was quite a dashing figure, the Antonio Banderas of his day.

FOULQUES married Countess Du Maine ERMENGARDE HELIE on 11 Jul 1110 in France. ERMENGARDE (daughter of Count Of Maine ELIAS HELIE and MATILDE) was born in Abt. 1096 in Maine, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France; died in 1126 in Maine, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

HENRY married Princess of Scotland MATILDA EDITH ATHLING on 06 Aug 1100 in Westminster, London, Middlesex, England. MATILDA (daughter of I King of Scotland MALCOLM CEANMOR DUNKELD, III and Queen of Scotland MARGARET AETHLING) was born in 1079 in Dunfermline, Fifeshire, Scotland; died on 1 May 1118 in Westminster Palace, Westminster, Middlesex, London, London, England; was buried in Jun 1118 in Church of St. Peter, Westminster, London, Middlesex, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Westminster Abbey

FOULQUES married Queen of France BERTRADEFrance. BERTRADE was born about 1059 in Montfort Amaury, Ile De France, France; died on 14 Feb 1117 in Fontevrault, Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

ELIAS married MATILDE before 1092 in France. MATILDE was born about 1055 in Chateau Du Loire, France; died in 1099. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

WILLIAM married Queen of England, Countess of Flanders MATILDA FLANDERS in 1053 in Normandy, France. MATILDA (daughter of Count of Flanders BAUDOUIN, V and Princess of France ADAELE ALIX) was born in 1031 in Flanders, France; died on 2 Nov 1083 in Caen, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France; was buried in 1083 in Caen, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Holy Trinity Abbey/Eglise De La Sainte Trinitbe

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Castle Of, Angi

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Holy Trinity Church

MALCOLM married Queen of Scotland MARGARET AETHLINGAtholl, Perthshire, Scotland. MARGARET (daughter of Prince of England EDWARD ATHLING and Princess of England AGATHA Von BRUNSWICK) was born in 1045 in Hungary; died on 16 Nov 1093 in Castle Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Mid-Lothian, Scotland; was buried in 1093 in Dunfermline, Fifeshire, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]